Help with the following schools

[poodle78]

Dows anyone have knowledge of or experience with the following schools?

1. Conservative Theological Seminary
www.conservative.edu

2. Logos Theological Seminary
www.logos.edu

3. Florida Christian University
www.floridachristianuniversity.edu

4. Columbia Evangelical Seminary
www.columbiaseminary.org

Thanks!!

[Jimmy Clifton]

Dows anyone have knowledge of or experience with the following schools?

1. Conservative Theological Seminary
www.conservative.edu

2. Logos Theological Seminary
www.logos.edu

3. Florida Christian University
www.floridachristianuniversity.edu

4. Columbia Evangelical Seminary
www.columbiaseminary.org

Thanks!!

Conservative has faculty with Conservative doctorates but also faculty with doctorates form RA seminaries. There is something about this school I like but I cannot put my finger on it at the moment.

Logos is a school I just don't like. No faculty listing.

Florida Christian does not list its faculty members nor their degrees.

Columbia is a school that may meet the needs of those where accreditation is not an issue. This is Dr. Rick Walston's school. He is an educated and scholarly man.

[Jabbezzz]

Logos is a school I just don't like.

Ummm, sounds like a very objective assessment........... :o

[J]

There is a faculty listing for Logos in its catalog:

http://www.logos.edu/Documents/Web%20Catalog%20General%20Info-Oct%202003-1.pdf

[Jimmy Clifton]

There is a faculty listing for Logos in its catalog:

http://www.logos.edu/Documents/Web%20Catalog%20General%20Info-Oct%202003-1.pdf

Most with in-house degrees.

[poodle78]

Conservative has faculty with Conservative doctorates but also faculty with doctorates form RA seminaries. There is something about this school I like but I cannot put my finger on it at the moment.

I just read in the CTS catalog that they are accredited by ACICS. How beneficial would this be in academia (particularly if one wanted to teach in a denominational college)?

[Jimmy Clifton]

I just read in the CTS catalog that they are accredited by ACICS. How beneficial would this be in academia (particularly if one wanted to teach in a denominational college)?

Where do you see this? It's not on the page titled AFFILIATIONS AND ACCREDITATION.


http://www.conservative.edu/ctscatalog/Generalinformation/017-018-019.htm

And they are not listed on the ACICS web site as an accredited school.

http://www.acics.org/accredited

ACICS doesn't accredit theological schools.

[poodle78]

Where do you see this? It's not on the page titled AFFILIATIONS AND ACCREDITATION.


http://www.conservative.edu/ctscatalog/Generalinformation/017-018-019.htm

You're right...I didn't. I was looking a two web pages at once and made an error. What the catalog says at http://www.conservative.edu/ctscatalog/Generalinformation/017-018-019.htm
is "Conservative Theological Seminary is recognized by the U.S. Department of Education."

Another page, http://www.ersys.com/usa/12/1235000/sch_clg.htm
seems to imply accreditation by ACICS, but the ACICS page does not mention CTS at all.

Sorry for jumping the gun!

[Jimmy Clifton]

You're right...I didn't. I was looking a two web pages at once and made an error. What the catalog says at http://www.conservative.edu/ctscatalog/Generalinformation/017-018-019.htm
is "Conservative Theological Seminary is recognized by the U.S. Department of Education."

Another page, http://www.ersys.com/usa/12/1235000/sch_clg.htm
seems to imply accreditation by ACICS, but the ACICS page does not mention CTS at all.

Sorry for jumping the gun!

Actually, I jumped the gun. Same acronym but different organizations, ha! CTS is not recognized by the USDoE in any official or accrediting sense. The USDoE doesn't do this except in terms of recognizing accrediting agencies. This is a somewhat deceptive statement, I think. They may be referring to their tax exemption or religious orientation, etc.

[poodle78]

I just read on the AHBE page that Florida Christian University is an affiliate with AHBE. They make it clear that this is not accreditation and the FCU page does not mention it at all, nor do they claim any bogus accreditation. They only mention their legal status with FCPC and CIE.

In anyone's opinion, is such an affiliation better than none at all, and have such affiliations led to full accreditation in the past?

btw, a listing of faculty can be seen at http://www.floridachristianuniversity.edu/courses_instructors.htm

[Jimmy Clifton]

I just read on the AHBE page that Florida Christian University is an affiliate with AHBE. They make it clear that this is not accreditation and the FCU page does not mention it at all, nor do they claim any bogus accreditation. They only mention their legal status with FCPC and CIE.

In anyone's opinion, is such an affiliation better than none at all, and have such affiliations led to full accreditation in the past?

btw, a listing of faculty can be seen at http://www.floridachristianuniversity.edu/courses_instructors.htm

Sometimes I don't do a very good job at finding info on web sites. Thanks for locating this. It seems most of the faculty have degrees from FCU. I do see a number wtih degrees from some RA seminaries.

[poodle78]

The website
http://www.christianconnector.com/displaycolleges.cfm?ID=3103&p=1&l=3

Says this about CTS:

CTS is certified by the Council of Private Colleges of America and recognized by the Post Secondary Division of the U.S. Department of Education.

Does anyone know what such recognition implies? :confused:

[Jimmy Clifton]

The website
http://www.christianconnector.com/displaycolleges.cfm?ID=3103&p=1&l=3

Says this about CTS:

CTS is certified by the Council of Private Colleges of America and recognized by the Post Secondary Division of the U.S. Department of Education.

Does anyone know what such recognition implies? :confused:

Possibly its the Florida Council of Private Colleges, Inc. Not a recognized organization by theUSDoE but that doesn't mean it's bad. It's simply a private organization.

As far as the government's recognition, I think this simply means they recognize them as a religious tax exempt school which doesn't really say anything at all.

If anyone can correct any of these statements, I'd welcome them.

[poodle78]

Logos is a school I just don't like. No faculty listing.


Logos appears to have made application for some sort of accreditation.

http://www.logos.edu/Newsletters/Logos%20Newsletter%20October%202004.htm#3

[poodle78]

CTS is not recognized by the USDoE in any official or accrediting sense. The USDoE doesn't do this except in terms of recognizing accrediting agencies. This is a somewhat deceptive statement, I think. They may be referring to their tax exemption or religious orientation, etc.

I may be wrong, but I don't believe that a tax-exempt status would be offered or recognized by the USDoE. Wouldn't that be Treasury? I have seen this sort of inclusion in other unaccredited schools to mean they are authorized to accept veterans' benefit payments for tuition. :)

[Jimmy Clifton]

I may be wrong, but I don't believe that a tax-exempt status would be offered or recognized by the USDoE. Wouldn't that be Treasury? I have seen this sort of inclusion in other unaccredited schools to mean they are authorized to accept veterans' benefit payments for tuition. :)

I am not sure but what I do know is that many unaccredited schools, that have federal tax exemption, will say the federal government recognizes their degrees. The implication is obvious and it is deceptive.

[J]

I am not sure but what I do know is that many unaccredited schools, that have federal tax exemption, will say the federal government recognizes their degrees. The implication is obvious and it is deceptive.

Could they be referring to the ULC Federal Court judgement of 1974 that protects the rights of churches to grant religious degrees and to be entitled to nonprofit tax exemption?

[Jimmy Clifton]

Could they be referring to the ULC Federal Court judgement of 1974 that protects the rights of churches to grant religious degrees and to be entitled to nonprofit tax exemption?

Quite possibly and this is why some unaccredited religious schools also have a "church" that credentials.

Funny thing, the law. We seem to pick and choose what we like and don't like. Many who are vehemently vocal about unaccredited schools that break various laws don't acknowledge that state authorized/licensed schools are operating within the purview of the respective state law.

They will call the school a fraud and the graduate an academic fraud. Interesing, isn't it? A legally operating school being called fraudulent and a legally degreed person being called an academic fraud.

The words substandard school and lower tiered school seem more appropriate.

None of this applies to real degree mills that in many cases, although legal, violate many state and federal laws.