California University ???

[Robert J.]

This is a weird one folks.

http://www.cufce.org/

A Foreign Credential service, that claims funding from the US Dept of Education and other agencies, and not only do they do work experience type evaluations but they also offer DIPLOMAS???

http://www.cufce.org/sample.html

http://www.cufce.org/images/sample1.gif
http://www.cufce.org/images/sample2.gif

and Transcripts?:
http://www.cufce.org/images/sample3.gif

I really don't know what to make of this people. :confused:

[Bill Dayson]

If this was one of the polls, I'd vote 'thumbs down', not legit.

They say:

Our Sources of Funds:
Our operational funds come from the United States Department of Education, the United States Department of Agriculture, the State of California Department of Education, the County of Los Angeles Department of Public Social Services, donations from private foundations and from people like you.
Funded by the government? They have to be legit. Right?

Well, here's what they do:

Other Services:
• *******Provide free day care services to children of single parents who are *students, working, and with low income.
• *******Provide free hot meals: lunch, dinner and one snack daily to selected, family day care homes and adult day care homes in Los Angeles.
• *******Award scholarship grants to poor and talented U.S. citizens and immigrants to study in any college or university in the United States.
• *******Create employment opportunities to U.S. citizens and immigrants.
So they are really some kind of social action organization. I expect that any grant money that they receive from the government is intended for those activities.

But they have somehow granted themselves the right to offer university degrees:

Services Offered:
• *******To evaluate foreign academic credentials and professional experience.
• *******To do 24 hour diploma evaluation.
• *******To issue U.S. equivalency diplomas.
• *******To award U.S. equivalency academic credits for work experience. *Three years of full time work experience is the equivalent of one year full time university credit units.
• *******To award the U.S. equivalency Bachelor of Arts or Bachelor of Science *degrees to vocational or Associate in Arts graduates with broad professional experience.
They may or may not have good intentions, hoping to help their immigrant clientele or something. But I don't think that what they are doing is legal in the State of California.

The BPPVE's search page has no record of them. They can't award academic degrees unless they are CA-approved by the BPPVE. And California isn't going to approve unearned life-experience "equivalency degrees".

[Redlyne Racer]

This is a weird one folks.

http://www.cufce.org/

A Foreign Credential service, that claims funding from the US Dept of Education and other agencies, and not only do they do work experience type evaluations but they also offer DIPLOMAS???

http://www.cufce.org/sample.html

http://www.cufce.org/images/sample1.gif
http://www.cufce.org/images/sample2.gif

and Transcripts?:
http://www.cufce.org/images/sample3.gif

I really don't know what to make of this people. :confused:

AMORSOLO FOUNDATION?

Something to do with Gen. 38, 6-10?

[Redlyne Racer]

Googling their fax number yields this:

Betty Amorsolo, (323) 871-0863, 6550 Fountain Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90028
Luis Amorsolo, (323) 871-0863, 6550 Fountain Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90028

Googling that address, rather than the one on the website, gives you hits for:

Amorsolo Family Children's Daycare
Beverly Hills Resources Corporation Family Children's Day Care
O'Farrell Family Childrens Day Care

Wonder what the "Amor Solo" crew are teaching the kids? Is this something to do with Jocelyn Elders (http://www.qrd.org/qrd/world/wockner/quote.unquote/020-12.16.94)?

[michael]

I have never seen an evaluator that has degree's or transcripts. Reports saying what a degree is equivelant to yes, but no degree's and transcripts.

I like the mis-understanding of NACES as well. Several of the NACES members are non or not for profit groups, therefore they are not private entities per se.

I also wonder how they get any business in California since almost all government positions and teaching jobs in California require an evaluation from a NACES member....

[J]

This institution is extraordinary.

Of course, they have not incorporated as "California University" in CA. Had they tried to do so, my guess is they would have faced some substantial opposition from the University of California and Cal State.

The effort behind it is very possibly well-intentioned, but I have serious concerns as to whether this is a legally-operating entity.

[Robert J.]

Based on this from their website:
The Secretary of State of California issued his
stamp of approval on August 23, 2001 with the corporation I.D. No: 2318990

Gives us this:
http://kepler.ss.ca.gov/corpdata/ShowAllList?QueryCorpNumber=C2318990

Corporation
AMORSOLO FOUNDATION, INCORPORATED


NO "CALIFORNIA UNIVERSITY" there.

They are listed as non-profit, but that doesn't mean anything, they just pay themselves with all of the profit as salary.

[mosbybranch]

Re: http://www.ss.ca.gov/business/other/bp_other_uanp.htm

I think they registered as an "unincorporated nonprofit association." One example of such is "Diandra University."

You can view Diandra University's registration at http://www.susianadiandra.org/california1.jpg

[mosbybranch]

http://www.credential-evaluation.org/ & http://www.cufce.org/

Comparing both sites, they have the same FAQ. I guess they are not a "university" but a credential evaluation agency.

[J]

Re: http://www.ss.ca.gov/business/other/bp_other_uanp.htm

I think they registered as an "unincorporated nonprofit association." One example of such is "Diandra University."

You can view Diandra University's registration at http://www.susianadiandra.org/california1.jpg

Diandra does not derive degree-granting authority directly from the CA incorporation, but from the complex American-Italian treaty of 1948. Its primary incorporation is in Italy; it is also incorporated in Spain and Brazil. Part of the relevant text is as follows (the High Contracting Parties are Italy and the USA):

2. Corporations and associations created or organized under the applicable laws and regulations within the territories of either High Contracting Party shall be deemed to be corporations and associations of such High Contracting Party and shall have their juridical status recognized within the territories of the other High Contracting Party whether or not they have a permanent establishment, branch or agency therein.

3. Corporations and associations of either High Contracting Party shall, within the territories of the other High Contracting Party, be permitted, without interference, to exercise all the rights and privileges enumerated in paragraph 2 of Article I, in conformity with the applicable laws and regulations, upon terms no less favorable than those now or hereafter accorded to corporations and associations of such other High Contracting Party. The preceding sentence, and all other provisions of this Treaty according to corporations and associations of the Italian Republic rights and privileges upon terms no less favorable than those now or hereafter accorded to corporations and associations of the United States of America, shall be construed as according such rights and privileges, in any state, territory or possession of the United States of America, upon terms no less favorable than those upon which such rights and privileges are or may hereafter be accorded therein to corporations and associations created or organized in other states, territories or possessions of the United States of America.

There are other sections of the treaty that are of relevance to this.

"California University" is only incorporated in CA AFAIK, so the two cases aren't comparable.