Yorker International University

[John D]

Does anyone know anything about this outfit called Yorker International University, http://www.nyuniversity.net/en/index2.htm, which appears to have local operations in many countries of the world? Their head office appears to be at 3213 West Main, Suite 310, Rapid City, South Dakota 57702
USA

I'm really worried because they have managed somehow to intrude on a list of my country's (Greece) universities, http://www.internationaleducationmedia.com/greece/universities.htm, although they don't (and they couldn't) have any official presence here at all.

I like the way they present their non-existent "accreditation"

LONG DISTANCE (sic)


THE YORKER INTERNATIONAL UNIVERSITY IS A NON TRADITIONAL, NONRESIDENTIAL LONGDISTANCE (sic) UNIVERSITY WITH INTERNATIONAL PROGRAMS, THEREFORE DOES (sic) FOLLOW INTERNATIONAL ACCREDITATION STANDARDS. WE DOES (sic) VERY STRONGLY ADVISE YOU TO UNDERSTAND THE NON TRADITIONAL STATUS BEFORE TO (sic) ENROLL WITH THE YORKER INTERNATIONAL UNIVERSITY

Accreditation can be confusing and is often a misunderstood matter.

Accreditation rules are different for each State and Nation.

Yorker seems to be the best choice for one who wants to excell in English spelling and grammar. Does all of yous agrees?

Has anyone heard of a "long distance" university before? I wonder what they mean by "long distance". Would that mean that people living a short distance from one of their locations cannot enroll? And how would that distance be calculated? In tens, hundreds, thousands of miles? This seems to be the most difficult (or, perhaps, the only) part of the studies one has to complete even before one enrolls in this fine institution.

John D

[John D]

Long Distance :confused: The meaning of this term still intrigues me.

Is it possible that they may have an identity or split personality problem? Could they think at times that they are a telephone company? :lol: :rolleyes:

John D

[J]

Yorker is linked with the Universite Intercontinentale Le Bon Samaritain, which has a physical campus in the Ivory Coast.

www.unilebs.org

Yorker is AFAIK run by Marco Grappeggia, who has in the past been happy to answer questions about its operation. There is a good article about Marco here: http://www.mariofurlan.com/home/qnart130903.html He seems a pretty extraordinary guy.

[John D]

Yorker is linked with the Universite Intercontinentale Le Bon Samaritain, which has a physical campus in the Ivory Coast.

www.unilebs.org

Yorker is AFAIK run by Marco Grappeggia, who has in the past been happy to answer questions about its operation. There is a good article about Marco here: http://www.mariofurlan.com/home/qnart130903.html He seems a pretty extraordinary guy.

I have still questions about their recognition status and by whom, as nothing is mentioned on their website although they make an attempt to explain the different accreditation systems in existence. Also, how can a university allow such gross mispellings on their website and why they falsely pretend to be a university also based in Greece?

It would be nice too if they could explain what they mean by "long distance".

John D

[bandler]

Deleted by moderator.

The subject matter of this post was irrelevant to the thread. If you want to talk about Athenaeum, start a new thread and discuss it there.

Reminder: no personal attacks, no flaming.

[ray1212]

Greetings,

I am glad that someone finally started a thread on this university. I am quite familiar with Yorker. I find their institution very interesting. It you do a Google search for "The Yorker International University", you will find over 10 web pages devoted to them. Also their Director, Professor, Dr. Marco Grappeggia earned his PhD from Columbia University. I would also invite everyone also does a Google Search on "Marco Grappeggia".

Much of the links are not in English. If you go to Google and download the toolbar, by right clicking on the webpage, you will be able to translate most of the pages into English.

It is not traditionally accredited in the US sense, but is well recognized. They have campuses in many foreign countries. I was even invited to come to a graduation ceremony in Florence, Italy at the Palazzo Borghese. I would have loved to have gone. Check out their website, http://www.palazzoborghese.it/flash/index.html.

I am proud to say I was awarded an Honorary Doctoral Degree from there and I am expecting the degree within the next several weeks. I don't intend to misrepresent it in anyway and I do plan on completing an earned PhD. It is just very nice to be publicly commended for your accomplishments.

I received a very nice letter from their Academic Coordinator, and she explained that the Academic Senate had reviewed my qualifications and made the award. Also, there is normally a fee associated with the Honorary Doctorate, but in my case it was waived.

If any of you have any questions, please email me directly at Robert@CivilAirPatrol.biz and I will be happy to answer any questions you have.

Have a Great Day!

Ray1212

[ray1212]

Dear J.

I am posting a translation of the above web page http://www.mariofurlan.com/home/qnart130903.html. I hope everyone can read it. It has been translated by Google.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sourceid=navclient-menuext&hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Emariofurlan%2Ecom%2Fhome%2Fqn art130903%2Ehtml

Here is the the English Translation:
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Article of the 13 september 2003

History of Mark the "university professor"

To times the last ones of the class become first: enough that they find the motivating force that it makes them to release, the passion that it inflames their heart of wants to make, to act, to create. Mark Grappeggia was considered a svogliato boy. To school, the university professors complained, studied little. It was true: he studied how much little it came tax. It seemed that those matters were extirpated from its truth, far from its life. He seemed to lose time.

Its passion was the psycology. Its companions followed the history or chemistry, mathematics lesson? He, secretly, divorava books on the human behavior. Teaching got angry, and it came blinked outside from the class.

The father, founder of the famous mobilificio Grappeggia, badly sopportava the inclinations of that son who continued to ripetergli?Papà, to study appeals to to me. But I must study what it appeals to to me. Otherwise it becomes a torture, I do not succeed to us. To 18 years, in the attempt to make it to rinsavire, it sent it to New York from family friends. One expected that the boy, spaesato, would have implorato to return and would have promised to put the head to place. Instead Mark was found very well. Indeed, better than before. That new world wants to know and fascinating it motivated it incredibly. It learned l?inglese to time of record, it was thrown to capofitto in the study of the psycology and the marketing. And it noticed the difference between Italian, academic l?insegnamento, pedant, and that American, pragmatic, directed.

It understood that its future would have been in the formation and nell?università. Full load d?entusiasmo, a foot to New York and l?altro to Milan, was dedicated to institute centers of formation and university in turn for the world. Becoming nel.giro.di some year one of the main ones?educational enterpreneurs, entrepreneurs dell?educazione, to international level.

It has founded, and he is chancellor, of the Yorker University, a not traditional university, that it previews lessons at a distance also. It concurs to acquire tito them of study academic recognized in the United States. Headquarters them to Miami, others to New York, in the South Dakota, to Buenos Aires, Milan and in one dozen of other international metropoli. But Bon Samaritain di Abdijan has given to life also traditional all?università, in d?Avorio Coast, of which he is chancellor. And? tightened collaborating dell?università of Mogadishu, in Somalia, and Saint dell?ateneo Pio X, to Rome. Standard to prestigious Columbia University di New York. secret of all? it repeats? it is possession passion. To be convinced, happy of what it is made. If it loves what you make, you will do good it.

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This man has devoted his entire life to The Yorker International University. And it isn't just a money thing either. If you will kindly review many of the photos in their gallery, you will see the respect that they have gained in the foreign academic community.

John D, I realize you may be disappointed with me regarding another university whose thread was closed on this Board, but keep an open mind. Also John D., I know you are from Greece, so inquire from your government edication minister as to Yorker's status for Greek students. I would love to see both your response in Greek and the translated version, and you can email it to me or post it here. Not every university acquires US accreditation.

Sincerely,

Ray1212

[ray1212]

Another thing, you will not find any reference to it on the ODA or Michigan list of diploma mills, or see it referenced as such on any website, because it isn't. I have not read one bad article on this university. It is simply nontraditional in nature. Even though they have an office in New York, they are primarily international, with campuses in many countries. Please review they attached web link for specific locations.

http://www.unilebs.org/

http://www.nyuniversity.net/en/locations.htm

http://www.nyuniversity.net/fr/html/indexita.htm

This link is for John D. It is in Greek.

http://search.forthnet.gr/cgi-bin/query?mss=search&i=GR&uil=elwin&q=%22Yorker+International+University%22&image.x=30&image.y=11

Sincerely,

Ray1212

[J]

Another thing, you will not find any reference to it on the ODA or Michigan list of diploma mills, or see it referenced as such on any website, because it isn't.

Don't speak too soon.

Some supporters of the ODA are only too happy to tip them off about unaccredited schools discussed on the forums that are not on the list.

A degree from any unaccredited school will not be legal for use in Oregon. That includes Yorker - even if it is not a degree mill.

[Dave Hayden]

Don't speak too soon.

Some supporters of the ODA are only too happy to tip them off about unaccredited schools discussed on the forums that are not on the list.

A degree from any unaccredited school will not be legal for use in Oregon. That includes Yorker - even if it is not a degree mill.

Unaccredited LEGITIMATE school or? Your statement confuses me J since The ODA has approved several unaccredited school's degrees for use in Oregon.

[ray1212]

I have the privilege of communicating recently with Alan Contreras of the ODA. They are only one state out of 50, and I don't personally care what he thinks, because I don't live in darn state anyway. A university, especially an international one doesn't have to submit to the US Educational system, or Oregon anyway.

[ray1212]

I received towo emails from him today, one regarding the thread that was closed on this board and another. They aree posted here. In first email he is thanking me for informing him about the school previously mentioned on this website.
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Very interesting, thanks.

Alan L. Contreras
Administrator, Office of Degree Authorization
Oregon Student Assistance Commission
1500 Valley River Drive No. 100
Eugene OR 97401
(541) 687-7452 fax (541) 687-7419
alan.L.contreras@state.or.us
Information: http://www.osac.state.or.us/oda
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The second one to say he would have to charge me for advice regarding some schools I asked him to comment on. It appears, like many people he is in it for the quick buck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On one hand he is thanking me for information I gave him and then he says he has to charge me. Isn't that the sh!t$
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Sir: owing to requirements placed on us by the legislature (we are a state agency), we must charge a fee to assist people with inquiries about specific schools that are outside Oregon. The fee is $50 per school name. Regrets.

Alan L. Contreras
Administrator, Office of Degree Authorization
Oregon Student Assistance Commission
1500 Valley River Drive No. 100
Eugene OR 97401
(541) 687-7452 fax (541) 687-7419
alan.L.contreras@state.or.us
Information: http://www.osac.state.or.us/oda

Messages to and from this e-mail address may be available to the public under Oregon law.

[Robert J.]

I received towo emails from him today, one regarding the thread that was closed on this board and another. They aree posted here. In first email he is thanking me for informing him about the school previously mentioned on this website.
__________________________________________________ _______________

Very interesting, thanks.

Alan L. Contreras
Administrator, Office of Degree Authorization
Oregon Student Assistance Commission
1500 Valley River Drive No. 100
Eugene OR 97401
(541) 687-7452 fax (541) 687-7419
alan.L.contreras@state.or.us
Information: http://www.osac.state.or.us/oda
__________________________________________________ _______________

The second one to say he would have to charge me for advice regarding some schools I asked him to comment on. It appears, like many people he is in it for the quick buck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On one hand he is thanking me for information I gave him and then he says he has to charge me. Isn't that the sh!t$
__________________________________________________ _______________

Sir: owing to requirements placed on us by the legislature (we are a state agency), we must charge a fee to assist people with inquiries about specific schools that are outside Oregon. The fee is $50 per school name. Regrets.

Alan L. Contreras
Administrator, Office of Degree Authorization
Oregon Student Assistance Commission
1500 Valley River Drive No. 100
Eugene OR 97401
(541) 687-7452 fax (541) 687-7419
alan.L.contreras@state.or.us
Information: http://www.osac.state.or.us/oda

Messages to and from this e-mail address may be available to the public under Oregon law.

Although I personally highly question the real value of the ODA List beyond a basic newbie level (We do have link to the ODA on our website), I always found Mr. Conteras few public postings quite reasonable and he seemed like a man trying to follow what the Oregon Legislature has given him to work with. He has also said publicly that a major issue in all of this mill stuff is credentialism in the USA and elsewhere which I agree with him on that.

Ray:

Your message did seem to border some light flaming of Mr. Contreras, I suggest you critisize the law instead of the man. The "quick buck" comment from a Govt. employee seems ridiculous and should be retracted.

[ray1212]

Dear Robert J,

I will not address him personally again, even if I feel what I said is right. I do believe that we need to be somewhat objective in dealing with educational issues. Essentially what the law has done in Oregon is try and dictate to the World (The entire planet we call Earth) what is a legitimate institution of higher learning and what is called a diploma mill. And like a ship sailing on the high seas or a plane flying from New York to San Francisco, there is one person at the helm. I close my comment.

[ray1212]

Compare the statistics,

Earth's Area of land: 57,268,900 square miles, equals 29% of the total surface of the Earth.

Oregon's Size: Land Area 96,003 square miles of Oregon are land areas.

That means we are letting a land mass of less that .167 percent decide what is right in educational circles and what institution we choose to attend. That is sad!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ray1212]

Please let's get back to the subject of The Yorker International University. I ask each and everyone to do their research on Yorker and then decide for themselves. Thanks for allowing me to comment. I am proud to be associated with them.

Sincerely,

Ray1212

[dhfr]

Yorker is one of what I call "geographically challenged" institutions. Its domain name (nyuniversity.net) and the picture of the Statue of Liberty on its website suggest that it's a New York institution. But its Head Office is listed as being in South Dakota. Which begs the question of how it manages to comply with South Dakota's law requiring regional accreditation (see SDCL 13-49-27.1 (http://legis.state.sd.us/statutes/index.aspx?FuseAction=DisplayStatute&Type=Statute&Statute=13-49-27.1)).

[ray1212]

I believe their main campus is in Milan Italy. The may have mailing addresses in South Dakota, but as the state on their website, they are an international institution. I ask everyone to research with an open mind and look at all the information they have available on the various websites. It isn't for everyone, but I believe it is a viable solution for those people living in another country who might not have the opportunity to earn a degree in residence.

[J]

I believe their main campus is in Milan Italy. The may have mailing addresses in South Dakota, but as the state on their website, they are an international institution. I ask everyone to research with an open mind and look at all the information they have available on the various websites. It isn't for everyone, but I believe it is a viable solution for those people living in another country who might not have the opportunity to earn a degree in residence.

...and for whom an unaccredited degree would meet their needs.

[michael]

Dear Robert J,

I will not address him personally again, even if I feel what I said is right. I do believe that we need to be somewhat objective in dealing with educational issues. Essentially what the law has done in Oregon is try and dictate to the World (The entire planet we call Earth) what is a legitimate institution of higher learning and what is called a diploma mill. And like a ship sailing on the high seas or a plane flying from New York to San Francisco, there is one person at the helm. I close my comment.

The law in Oregon, South Dakota and Michigan is dictating what degree's can be used in those states. This has nothing to do with dictating to the world. The fact that some people use the list that way is their perogative.

[dhfr]

John D gives the address of the Head Office in the first post in this thread: 3213 West Main, Suite 310, Rapid City. This is also listed on Yorker's locations page (http://www.nyuniversity.net/en/locations.htm).

I looked this up, and this is what I found: Mail Boxes Etc. (http://yellowpages.superpages.com/profile~N_mail+boxes~T_rapid+city~S_SD~STYPE_S~CID _99999999990~LID_FWhLSHup0jbnmoMTsN1EbQ%3D%3D.htm)

"Suite 310" is mailbox 310 -- Mail Boxes Etc. accept any prefix to the box number (Suite, Office, Apartment, Building, ...).

Perhaps, as Ray suggests, the operation is run from the Milan location.

[dhfr]

The law in Oregon, South Dakota and Michigan is dictating what degree's can be used in those states. This has nothing to do with dictating to the world. The fact that some people use the list that way is their perogative.Minor correction: the South Dakota law (link in my post above) I believe only restricts the educational institutions that operate within the state. It doesn't restrict people from using unaccredited degrees. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

[Dave Hayden]

...
The second one to say he would have to charge me for advice regarding some schools I asked him to comment on. It appears, like many people he is in it for the quick buck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! On one hand he is thanking me for information I gave him and then he says he has to charge me. Isn't that the sh!t$
__________________________________________________ _______________

Sir: owing to requirements placed on us by the legislature (we are a state agency), we must charge a fee to assist people with inquiries about specific schools that are outside Oregon. The fee is $50 per school name. Regrets.

Alan L. Contreras
Administrator, Office of Degree Authorization
Oregon Student Assistance Commission
...


Hi Ray

Please realize the ODA is a small regulatory dept. Many people place demands on their time that they are not funded for. The fee quoted is very likely enacted to discourage frivolous requests. I have also seen degree mill supporters send him lengthy emails, demands, and requests. Again the fee effectively deals with that. Since the Federal government it too occupied with post 9/11 activities, the ODA performs a valuable function for both Oregon residents and others. I, for one, am glad they are there.

[Dave Hayden]

I believe their main campus is in Milan Italy. The may have mailing addresses in South Dakota, but as the state on their website, they are an international institution. I ask everyone to research with an open mind and look at all the information they have available on the various websites. It isn't for everyone, but I believe it is a viable solution for those people living in another country who might not have the opportunity to earn a degree in residence.

Hi Ray

So a couple of questions. I looked at their web site, but could not determine where they gather their authority to grant degrees? Are you saying it is from Italy? If not, do they have the right to grant degrees anywhere? You mentioned you are receiving an Honorary Ph.D. and I notice their link for Honorary Degrees on their front page. Is this how they became aware of your accomplishments? Are you paying a fee for this degree? Thanks and take care.

Dave

[ray1212]

Hey Members,

The dialogue is great. Everybody is contributing constructively.

J., many people could benefit from an unaccredited degree, as long as it wasn't being printed out of someone's basement. An unaccredited degree doesn't mean that the program is substandard. The process of accreditation is voluntary.

Dave Hayden, I wrote the university and sent them my accomplishments from over the last 25 years, and they just decided to award the Honorary Degree. I want to clarify something. You might see that The Yorker International University usually charges $4,000.00 for the degree. After review of all the documentation I submitted, they decided to award the degree without charge (FREE TO ME), based on what I submitted. That is why I am proud of the award, because unlike many institutions, legitimate or diploma mill, they want to charge a minimum of $500.00 to $50,000. They call it a donation. Out of privacy, I won't post the actual email here, but I am on limited income and could not afford anything at the present time.

As far as their license to operate, as you can see by their website, they have locations worldwide. I encourage everybody to just explore. The Yorker International University is quite recognized worldwide and like I started my email off with, they are not required to be accredited like universities in the US.

dhfr, Thank you for your correction regarding the laws of South Dakota. Also with the case of their location in SD being registered to a Mail Boxes Etc, I can't personally comment. As I stated, they have many locations. I can tell you personally, most of the diploma mills I have researched, you can't get ahold of anybody. If you get a number, it is toll free. In the case of Yorker, I received their telephone number in Milan Italy, and I called and spoke with the coordinator I spoke of in the beginning. Everything is above board.

Michael, I mentioned in my previous post I would not draw reference to the ODA anymore, other than to address the law.

Sincerely,

Ray1212

[Dave Hayden]

...
As far as their license to operate, as you can see by their website, they have locations worldwide. I encourage everybody to just explore. The Yorker International University is quite recognized worldwide and like I started my email off with, they are not required to be accredited like universities in the US.

...


O.K. So you are confirming that, to the best of your knowledge, they have not been given authority from anywhere to grant degrees?! Also you say "quite recognized wordwide". On what are you basing that statement? I am rather familiar with distance learning world-wide and have never heard of them in any way before your post. I also see nothing on their web site that confirms any positive reputation. After RDS, you can understand people being cautious I presume. :D

Dave

[Bill Dayson]

It you do a Google search for "The Yorker International University", you will find over 10 web pages devoted to them...

It is not traditionally accredited in the US sense, but is well recognized. They have campuses in many foreign countries.

I can never resist Googling, so I Googled 'Yorker International University' site:.edu

It produced one hit, a guy teaching Hindu religious subjects at some mysterious (but kind of interesting) Florida Vedic College.

http://www.floridavediccollege.edu/art_faculty.htm

Nevertheless, only one mention on a rather marginal .edu webpage is an anemic result for a well recognized university with doctoral programs and campuses in many countries.

[ray1212]

Bill Dayson, I don't understand where you say you are only finding one hit. Go to http://www.google.com. Enter in exactly, "The Yorker International University". I come up with 236 hits!

Next search using Google, do the same for their director, enter "Marco Grappeggia". I get 13 hits there.

Google is Great!

Dave Hayden, as I have instructed Bill, read what it says on Google. The Yorker International University is established in many countries and they graduate 2500 students approximately per year. I was hoping we were going to be constructive. Before you bash them, research everything. You are intelligent!

[Dennis Ruhl]

A few years ago I would have actually done research to figure out if this school was legit but I have since come to the conclusion that all private programs from non English speaking countries that cater to students in English speaking countries are somewhat bogus.

There is not a legally operating school in The US, the UK, Canada, South Africa, NewZealand or Australia that would take me more than 10 minutes to determine the status of.

I don't have to refer to the Ambidexterous Dwarfs Act of 1637 to find legitimacy. I go to a government web site and BAM - there the suckers are, including the private ones and the frigging list isn't 5 years old. Is this too frigging much to ask? Frigging transparency beats the fog we are presented here. Shall I say I lose patience with some of the BS. It gets old by the hundredth BS school.

[Dave Hayden]

Bill Dayson, I don't understand where you say you are only finding one hit. Go to http://www.google.com. Enter in exactly, "The Yorker International University". I come up with 236 hits!

Next search using Google, do the same for their director, enter "Marco Grappeggia". I get 13 hits there.

Google is Great!

Dave Hayden, as I have instructed Bill, read what it says on Google. The Yorker International University is established in many countries and they graduate 2500 students approximately per year. I was hoping we were going to be constructive. Before you bash them, research everything. You are intelligent!

Hi Ray

I haven't seen any one bashing Yorker International at all. In fact, I think everyone has been quite generous in their remarks. Bill is entering his search exactly as he has written including the quotations and .edu restriction. He is looking for ACADEMIC references and not personal or promotional web pages that have little meaning. If Yorker International has any standing at all it should be pretty easy to show it. Personally I am not seeing it. Take care but lets not go down the RDS road again please.

[Dave Hayden]

P.S. This is what Bill is putting in the Google search including the quotation marks:

"Yorker International University" site:.edu

What it will bring up are any mentions of "Yorker International University" on any .edu web site. It is a good way to see if there is any academic substance in an unknown university.

[ray1212]

Mr. Hayden, Now I understand. Don't use the edu in your search. Just go to http://www.google.com and enter "The Yorker International University" and you will find 236 entries. There is no written rule for an acceptable university to have (dot edu) in their domain.

Dennis Ruhl, it sounds like your BS has got you into a frigging mess. Or did you obtain a distance degree, a "BS in Frigginology"? Just kidding.

I hate arguing in these forums, because people are so narrow minded and somewhat blinded by the US educational system.

[Dave Hayden]

Mr. Hayden, Now I understand. Don't use the edu in your search. Just go to http://www.google.com and enter "The Yorker International University" and you will find 236 entries. There is no written rule for an acceptable university to have (dot edu) in their domain.

Dennis Ruhl, it sounds like your BS has got you into a frigging mess. Or did you obtain a distance degree, a "BS in Frigginology"? Just kidding.

I hate arguing in these forums, because people are so narrow minded and somewhat blinded by the US educational system.

Hi Ray

Let me try again. What Bill is looking for are Universities that are referencing Yorker International and the work (if any) it has produced. Google can't find any. Perhaps you can post some links that show YI as referenced by Universities we might have heard of? Or perhaps you can post any other links that show YI has legitimate recognition of ANY kind? Thanks for your help.

Dave

P.S. I must admit I find it ironic that a "school" that would be illegal if it claimed operation in New York state references the state in both its name and the pictures on its web site.

[ray1212]

Mr. Hayden and Bill Dayson,

I further comment, just because you come up with other web pages as I have instructed you to do, doesn't mean that they are "not personal or promotional web pages that have little meaning!" I am not trying to debate you on the merits of how to conduct a Google search. For God sake, if you want to see the information, just follow the simple instructions.

Again I say, go to http://www.google.com and enter "The Yorker International University". By the way, in an earlier post, I saw a reference of a possible comparison to RDS. Doing a similar search for RDS will give you mostly a lesson in the 11th century hFrench history, but very few of the entries will be related to what the intended search were for, in that case RDS.

Prof. Marco Grappeggia is a respectable man, an Italian who saw a need for a nontraditional approach to a university education. I understand he graduated from Columbia University. If any of you are so obliged to judge, why don't you put the capital together, start your own international university with multiple campuses, and see what you can accomplish. I hope one day I can do a google search for your university (Say "Hayden Institute of Higher Learning" or "Dayson College of the Arts". And by the way, I will put in (dot edu) in my search so I can eliminate any esoteric data that I want to weed out! I bet you won't show 236 hits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now enough said, let's keep it clean and free of judgment, Please!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ray1212]

I see the number of times many of you post on this website and others. Don't you have anything better to do with your time than to run people down. Many of you need to get a life! For God's sake, I wish all I had to do was sit behind a PC and type useless data into a website to smear someone. But I don't believe in doing that. I give people the benefit of the doubt, unless I see otherwise. And I have in the past been fooled.

Please do the research, and let others do the same. Let people draw their own conclusions. I have said it previously, but not here, if people are intelligent enough to try and get an education and are reviewing the data presented here, they are able to sift through the useless information make their own opinion. I happen to like what I see at The Yorker International University.

[ray1212]

Note for J. and Robert J.

I hate to resort to this type of discourse, but people should state their opinion and let it go. We did not need to spend an entire webpage devoted to how to look up information on Google, and that disturbs me greatly. If people are so biased against unaccredited nontraditional universities why are they here in the first place.

I am sorry for stepping up on my soap box!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dave Hayden]

Mr. Hayden and Bill Dayson,

I further comment, just because you come up with other web pages as I have instructed you to do, doesn't mean that they are "not personal or promotional web pages that have little meaning!" I am not trying to debate you on the merits of how to conduct a Google search. For God sake, if you want to see the information, just follow the simple instructions.

Again I say, go to http://www.google.com and enter "The Yorker International University". By the way, in an earlier post, I saw a reference of a possible comparison to RDS. Doing a similar search for RDS will give you mostly a lesson in the 11th century hFrench history, but very few of the entries will be related to what the intended search were for, in that case RDS.

Prof. Marco Grappeggia is a respectable man, an Italian who saw a need for a nontraditional approach to a university education. I understand he graduated from Columbia University. If any of you are so obliged to judge, why don't you put the capital together, start your own international university with multiple campuses, and see what you can accomplish. I hope one day I can do a google search for your university (Say "Hayden Institute of Higher Learning" or "Dayson College of the Arts". And by the way, I will put in (dot edu) in my search so I can eliminate any esoteric data that I want to weed out! I bet you won't show 236 hits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now enough said, let's keep it clean and free of judgment, Please!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Again Ray,

I hope you are having a good evening. You seemed distressed but I am at a loss as to why? Is a repectful debate a bad thing? My experience has always been that such a debate tends to be informative and helpful to those that want to get at the truth. Often this goes far beyond the people debating, but includes many readers that are gaining an education by seeing the merits of either side. You have stated your opinions and I have asked what evidence leads you to those conclusions. This seems to be at the heart of your distress. I assume you are a person who basis their decisions on ration and facts? Isn't possible for you to share those facts with us? If not is there a reason? If this seems hurtful or argumentative, I apologize. I am just interested in why you see YI as you do. Your position perplexes me and I am just interested in better understaning it. In any event take care and have a good evening.

Dave

P.S. Please call me Dave. It is much more appropriate than Mr Hayden. Also as to the question about time spent behind a computer, I get paid very well to set there. At times it is insanely busy and crazy. At others, I am free to pursue educational and recreational surfing. Hey its a living! :D Again take care and talk with you more soon.

[Redlyne Racer]

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Dennis Ruhl, it sounds like your BS has got you into a frigging mess. Or did you obtain a distance degree, a "BS in Frigginology"? Just kidding.
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[ray1212]

OK Dave,

My apologies to you and Bill. Also, I apologize to the moderators who run this board. It is a great way to get information out to the public. I guess I have been a little distressed. I just hate to see all nontraditional, nonaccredited programs run into the ground before they can have a fair analysis. I sincerely hope you at least give it a chance before you dismiss it. Again I am sorry.

Thanks for everything. Have a Good Night.

Sincerely,

Ray1212

[Dave Hayden]

Note for J. and Robert J.

I hate to resort to this type of discourse, but people should state their opinion and let it go. We did not need to spend an entire webpage devoted to how to look up information on Google, and that disturbs me greatly. If people are so biased against unaccredited nontraditional universities why are they here in the first place.

I am sorry for stepping up on my soap box!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Again,

Once more I am perplexed. Is information a bad thing? The more information the better has always been my ideal. Also opinion without reason has always been useless to me. If I can't understand a person reason in holding an opinion it is impossible to know its validity. Any way, take care and goodnight all.

Dave

[ray1212]

I am sorry, posted a second time!

OK Dave,

My apologies to you and Bill. Also, I apologize to the moderators who run this board. It is a great way to get information out to the public. I guess I have been a little distressed. I just hate to see all nontraditional, nonaccredited programs run into the ground before they can have a fair analysis. I sincerely hope you at least give it a chance before you dismiss it. Again I am sorry.

Thanks for everything. Have a Good Night.

Sincerely,

Ray1212

[Dave Hayden]

OK Dave,

My apologies to you and Bill. Also, I apologize to the moderators who run this board. It is a great way to get information out to the public. I guess I have been a little distressed. I just hate to see all nontraditional, nonaccredited programs run into the ground before they can have a fair analysis. I sincerely hope you at least give it a chance before you dismiss it. Again I am sorry.

Thanks for everything. Have a Good Night.

Sincerely,

Ray1212

Hey Ray as our downunder mates say, "No worries!" I don't think any program should be run down. It is all about ration and fair analysis as far as I am concerned. See you in the morning.

Dave

P.S. Hopefully Peter won't throw me on the "barbie" for borrowing a phrase or two! Ok that is it no more! :D

[Bill Dayson]

Bill Dayson, I don't understand where you say you are only finding one hit.

I used the Google Advanced Search page at

http://www.google.com/advanced_search?hl=en

(You can also reach this page by clicking on 'advanced search' on the main page.)

I entered the string 'yorker international university' in the exact phrase field.

Then I entered ',edu' in the domain field.

This search generated one hit.

Go to http://www.google.com. Enter in exactly, "The Yorker International University". I come up with 236 hits!

Most of which seemed to be marketing pages, consisting of lists of schools in various foreign languages.

My inquiry was more focused than that. I wanted to see what American academic websites are saying about Yorker International University. It turns out that they aren't saying anything at all.

Considering that this thing claims an address here in the US as well as campuses in many foreign countries, and considering that it purports to grant doctoral degrees, the fact that American universities seem not to have even noticed it isn't reassuring.

I just did the same search for the exact phrase 'yorker international university' on 'ac.uk' domains, and got no hits at all. So it's not only the US, British academic websites haven't heard of this thing either.

[ray1212]

Please skip using any website except http://www/google.com. and enter "The Yorker International University". Your conclusion can be reached from anywhere, thus by it's meaning, www._ _ _ _ _ _ _._ _ _. (WORLD WIDE WEB). I don't care it you are in Australia, Germany, Greece or the Moon, if you got internet access you will find it.

Gosh, you guys in trying to defending your position can be narrow minded. Anyway, have a Great Day!

Sincerely,

Ray1212

[Robert J.]

Please skip using any website except http://www/google.com. and enter "The Yorker International University". Your conclusion can be reached from anywhere, thus by it's meaning, www._ _ _ _ _ _ _._ _ _. (WORLD WIDE WEB). I don't care it you are in Australia, Germany, Greece or the Moon, if you got internet access you will find it.

Gosh, you guys in trying to defending your position can be narrow minded. Anyway, have a Great Day!

Sincerely,

Ray1212

Although I don't think Bill's .edu limitation is definitive nor neccessarily means anything, I also do not believe in the "google theory" of educational prominence as a means of anything as others do, why don't you point out 10 pages worth noting doing your search Ray, just links will do.

[ray1212]

These are just a few of the 236 hits. I hope the translations are readable from your end.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.eurekacentro.com/ospiti.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522The%2BYorker%2BInternational%2BU niversity%2522%26start%3D70%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa %3DN

http://www.braintrack.com/linknav.htm?level=5&pprevid=20

http://www.filologico.it/

http://www.sein.it/degree_yorker.htm

http://www.unilebs.org/

http://www.internationaleducationmedia.com/greece/universities.htm

http://search.forthnet.gr/cgi-bin/query?mss=search&i=GR&uil=elwin&q=%22Yorker+International+University%22&image.x=30&image.y=11

http://www.palazzoborghese.it/flash/index.html

http://www.nyuniversity.net/en/index2.htm

http://www.nyuniversity.net/it/index.htm

http://web.tiscali.it/easypolo/yorker.htm

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.dott-bomboi.it/esperienze.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Marco%2BGrappeggia%2522%26hl%3De n%26lr%3D

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.eurekacentro.com/ospiti.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522The%2BYorker%2BInternational%2BU niversity%2522%26start%3D70%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa %3DN

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.eurekacentro.com/ospiti.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522The%2BYorker%2BInternational%2BU niversity%2522%26start%3D70%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa %3DN

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.yorkeruniversity-hispano.net/&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522The%2BYorker%2BInternational%2BU niversity%2522%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D

http://www.nyuniversity.net/fr/html/indexita.htm


Sincerely,

Ray1212

[J]

On the diploma at http://www.sein.it/degree_yorker.htm

the degree-granting authority is cited as "from the United States of America".

I don't understand this. Which state has approved or authorised YIU to grant degrees? It certainly isn't South Dakota.

[Robert J.]

These are just a few of the 236 hits. I hope the translations are readable from your end.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.eurekacentro.com/ospiti.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522The%2BYorker%2BInternational%2BU niversity%2522%26start%3D70%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa %3DN

http://www.braintrack.com/linknav.htm?level=5&pprevid=20

http://www.filologico.it/

http://www.sein.it/degree_yorker.htm

http://www.unilebs.org/

http://www.internationaleducationmedia.com/greece/universities.htm

http://search.forthnet.gr/cgi-bin/query?mss=search&i=GR&uil=elwin&q=%22Yorker+International+University%22&image.x=30&image.y=11

http://www.palazzoborghese.it/flash/index.html

http://www.nyuniversity.net/en/index2.htm

http://www.nyuniversity.net/it/index.htm

http://web.tiscali.it/easypolo/yorker.htm

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.dott-bomboi.it/esperienze.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Marco%2BGrappeggia%2522%26hl%3De n%26lr%3D

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.eurekacentro.com/ospiti.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522The%2BYorker%2BInternational%2BU niversity%2522%26start%3D70%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa %3DN

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.eurekacentro.com/ospiti.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522The%2BYorker%2BInternational%2BU niversity%2522%26start%3D70%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa %3DN

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.yorkeruniversity-hispano.net/&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522The%2BYorker%2BInternational%2BU niversity%2522%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D

http://www.nyuniversity.net/fr/html/indexita.htm


Sincerely,

Ray1212

Ray, I think you missed my point.

Bill is basically saying ..."I'm only getting 1 worthy hit".

You're saying..."I get xxx hits"

Show us the worthy and links worth noting in your search. One of the links you provided was just their French site, certainly that doesn't mean anything.

Heck, show us 5 links worth noting.

[ray1212]

Dear Robert J and J.,

I just thought I would email both of you directly. If these people feel that they have to be so critical and are not able to review all 236 web links, I would seriously doubt they have the capability to seriously consider any education even at the lowest level, including their GED. As I have stated, all they have to so is go to http://www.google.com and just put in the search engine, "The Yorker International University". I have tried to explain this many times, but apparently either they are unable to comprehend what I am saying, maybe are not using the right browser, or just have a personal agenda to bash someone.

I really think people have a mind set when it comes to non accredited universities. It is a shame to waste a good website allowing people to criticize programs, especially international ones they know nothing about. That is why I suggested they do the research.

I like Degree Board and think it is a fantastic forum. But I think I am unable to get my point across, or people like Bill Dayson just don't want to listen.

Sincerely,

Ray1212
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[Dave Hayden]

Please skip using any website except http://www/google.com. and enter "The Yorker International University". Your conclusion can be reached from anywhere, thus by it's meaning, www._ _ _ _ _ _ _._ _ _. (WORLD WIDE WEB). I don't care it you are in Australia, Germany, Greece or the Moon, if you got internet access you will find it.

Gosh, you guys in trying to defending your position can be narrow minded. Anyway, have a Great Day!

Sincerely,

Ray1212

Hi Ray

This is actually a real important point. NO one is being narrow minded. They are looking for any scrap of evidence that truly supports your position. They aren't finding any. I have asked you several times. Your response has been if you do a general google search you will find xx nuber of pages that mention Yorker International. You could say the same about most any degree mill and get a like number of pages. (I am not making the jump to calling YI a degree mill) So let me repeat, no one is being narrow minded they are merely trying to find any evidence that YI is a legitimate endevor.

Dave

[Dennis Ruhl]

Dave

When an unheard-of state university in a small state generates 1/2 million hits and better known universities generate many millions, why are we talking about hundreds of hits, most of these self-generated sites? The school is obviously one for the crapper.

[ray1212]

Dear Dave,

I do not want to waste any more energy on this topic. Everyone has the same resources at their disposal to see what I have been saying all along. In fact there are 236 of them. Also, there are many foreign countries involved here. If it is an issue for the residents of those localities, let them pose it to their government.

People have the right to chose where they want to obtain their degree. Sometimes it is a financial issue that prevents them from doing an accredited degree program. I am amazed how much many of these institutions like the University of Phoenix charge to earn a degree. It is an arm and a leg in many cases. The right to get an education should be everyones.

Other times it a time issue. People have busy lives and just can't resume study in a classroom.

At last, I think many people we are addressing on this board simply just want to earn their degree from a diploma mill, so they have something to put on their resume.

Let me do this, if you want clarification as the legal status, please email the university directly. I am sure they will respond because I believe their director to be a reputable and honest man. Try Me!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dave Hayden]

These are just a few of the 236 hits. I hope the translations are readable from your end.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.eurekacentro.com/ospiti.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522The%2BYorker%2BInternational%2BU niversity%2522%26start%3D70%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa %3DN

...



Hi Again Ray

I read through your links. Three or more are merely YI's own web pages. A couple are resumes that mention it. The others seem unintelligable to me even after translated by Google. Are there any links you have come acrossed that show YI in positive light? Is there perhaps other evidence that suggests its legitimacy? Or are you suggesting YI is so new they haven't had a chance to show they are a legitimate endevor? If possible lets keep the discussion rational and logical.

Dave

[ray1212]

Many of the people on this website have way to much time on their hands criticizing nonaccredited institutions and the people who try and defend them. If you don't want to pursue a degree from The Yorker International University, just simply don't apply. But don't base your decision or force your opinions on anyone until you get all the facts.

I MEAN ALL THE FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ray1212]

Dave,

This message is for you and the other "Doubting Thomas (plural)". Please contact Yorker directly if you want further information. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Ray1212

[Dave Hayden]

Dear Dave,

I do not want to waste any more energy on this topic. Everyone has the same resources at their disposal to see what I have been saying all along. In fact there are 236 of them. Also, there are many foreign countries involved here. If it is an issue for the residents of those localities, let them pose it to their government.

People have the right to chose where they want to obtain their degree. Sometimes it is a financial issue that prevents them from doing an accredited degree program. I am amazed how much many of these institutions like the University of Phoenix charge to earn a degree. It is an arm and a leg in many cases. The right to get an education should be everyones.

Other times it a time issue. People have busy lives and just can't resume study in a classroom.

At last, I think many people we are addressing on this board simply just want to earn their degree from a diploma mill, so they have something to put on their resume.

Let me do this, if you want clarification as the legal status, please email the university directly. I am sure they will respond because I believe their director to be a reputable and honest man. Try Me!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Ray

Now you really have me confused. Are you suggesting degree mills are acceptable if someone doesn't have the time or money to complete a legitimate program?! If so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree as I see degree mills as a fraud and a crime. If a resume ever came across my desk with a degree mill on it I would immediately trash it.


Dave

[Dave Hayden]

Dave,

This message is for you and the other "Doubting Thomas (plural)". Please contact Yorker directly if you want further information. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Ray1212

OK. So you are giving up on suggesting YI is legitimate in any way? Your one piece of evidence was a Google search showed links that mentioned it? Interesting. Take care and have a good day.

Dave

[ray1212]

Dave,

I am not saying a diploma mill should be used. If someone does, they do at their own risk.I wouldn't personally.

As far as The Yorker International University's accreditation, just do your own research and contact them if you would like. Dude, You have way too much time on your hands.

[Dave Hayden]

Dave,

I am not saying a diploma mill should be used. If someone does, they do at their own risk.I wouldn't personally.

As far as The Yorker International University's accreditation, just do your own research and contact them if you would like. Dude, You have way too much time on your hands.

Hi Ray

I am confused. Is there a reason we can't look at it as a group? That way others have the benefit of the information we find. Again, I find information a good thing. I continue to be puzzled that you haven't offered anything to support your opinions. I am forced in to catagorizing them as unsupported opinions. In any event take care and have a great day.

Dave

[ray1212]

That is XXXXX

[Robert J.]

Ray, it appears you are frustrated, you should probably take a break from this thread and perhaps Distance Fora for atleast the day. If someone finds meaningful evidence on Google or elsewhere please provide the evidence. I won't close this thread physically but let's consider it gentlemanly closed since it appears to be going no where.

Thanks all...