ray1212
11-27-2004, 11:25 PM
Greetings Degree Board Members,
New information has come to light regarding questioning legitimacy of Encole Superieure Universitaire Robert de Sorbon, and after consulting with Robert J, the Administrator, I have decided to post an email that I received this afternoon on Degree Info.Com.
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I have learned as of this afternoon that there is a direct relationship between Dr. Jean Prade of AUAP Credential Evaluation Services and the French educational institution operation under the name of the Encole Superieure Universitaire Robert de Sorbon, in my opinion drawing into question their legitimacy. Let me first say that I owe many of the esteemed members of this board an apology for so vigorously trying to defend Sorbon as an institution. Specifically this message goes out to Dr. Bear, Ham, Uncle Janko, Rich Douglas and many others. I sincerely hope you will continue to allow me to post here after revealing my identity and be of benefit from the knowledge you have attained.
I also feel that the truth is eventually revealed to me at sometime, because of my faith in God and his power to protect his people. I am posting an email I received this afternoon from Sorbon regarding whether they would allow me to initially qualify for VAE acceptance at the PhD level, rather that the DEA (Masters) level in which I was initially approved at. Their response is as follows. I believe that I am a fairly competent computer and internet technician, and I found something interesting in their response. Much like this board tracks IP addresses, I allow my email box to show full headers, which shows the originating IP, through the receiving email IP.
I do not wish to sit in judgment, but pay particularly attention to the originating IP in the headers. You be the Judge! It references www.auap.com (207.158.219.73). I will be withdrawing my request for the degree and will be making a request from Pay Pal for a reimbursement of the application fee of $60.00 based on their misrepresentation. I believe Alain Michal had previously stated in this forum that they have no direct relationship to AUAP Credentialing Services.
Sincerely,
Reverend Robert Ray Hill
Ordained Minister
http://www.CivilAirPatrol.biz/Resume.pdf
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Ray1212
TheSoftwareGuy
PhD_Cyberspace
From Robert de Sorbon Sat Nov 27 11:20:16 2004
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Alain Michal
*Robert de Sorbon
*Bureau des Admissions
Etablissement d'Enseignement Supérieur Français-Reg:0862003720 **
www.sorbonedu.com <http://www.sorbonedu.com> www.sorbon-uni.fr
<http://www.sorbon-uni.fr/>
sorbon@sorbon.fr <mailto:sorbon@sorbon.fr> admissions@sorbonedu.com
<mailto:admissions@sorbonedu.com>
tel +33172770043 (France)
fax 33153013315 (France)
Sorbon <http:www,sorbonedu.com>
Unfortunately it is now impossible to change the venue I am sorry. We
are not an "a la carte" university. You applied and have been accepted
for a certain level, we can not change it.
New information has come to light regarding questioning legitimacy of Encole Superieure Universitaire Robert de Sorbon, and after consulting with Robert J, the Administrator, I have decided to post an email that I received this afternoon on Degree Info.Com.
__________________________________________________ _______________
I have learned as of this afternoon that there is a direct relationship between Dr. Jean Prade of AUAP Credential Evaluation Services and the French educational institution operation under the name of the Encole Superieure Universitaire Robert de Sorbon, in my opinion drawing into question their legitimacy. Let me first say that I owe many of the esteemed members of this board an apology for so vigorously trying to defend Sorbon as an institution. Specifically this message goes out to Dr. Bear, Ham, Uncle Janko, Rich Douglas and many others. I sincerely hope you will continue to allow me to post here after revealing my identity and be of benefit from the knowledge you have attained.
I also feel that the truth is eventually revealed to me at sometime, because of my faith in God and his power to protect his people. I am posting an email I received this afternoon from Sorbon regarding whether they would allow me to initially qualify for VAE acceptance at the PhD level, rather that the DEA (Masters) level in which I was initially approved at. Their response is as follows. I believe that I am a fairly competent computer and internet technician, and I found something interesting in their response. Much like this board tracks IP addresses, I allow my email box to show full headers, which shows the originating IP, through the receiving email IP.
I do not wish to sit in judgment, but pay particularly attention to the originating IP in the headers. You be the Judge! It references www.auap.com (207.158.219.73). I will be withdrawing my request for the degree and will be making a request from Pay Pal for a reimbursement of the application fee of $60.00 based on their misrepresentation. I believe Alain Michal had previously stated in this forum that they have no direct relationship to AUAP Credentialing Services.
Sincerely,
Reverend Robert Ray Hill
Ordained Minister
http://www.CivilAirPatrol.biz/Resume.pdf
__________________________________________________
_____________________
Ray1212
TheSoftwareGuy
PhD_Cyberspace
From Robert de Sorbon Sat Nov 27 11:20:16 2004
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Subject: Re: Accepted at Robert de Sorbon
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Alain Michal
*Robert de Sorbon
*Bureau des Admissions
Etablissement d'Enseignement Supérieur Français-Reg:0862003720 **
www.sorbonedu.com <http://www.sorbonedu.com> www.sorbon-uni.fr
<http://www.sorbon-uni.fr/>
sorbon@sorbon.fr <mailto:sorbon@sorbon.fr> admissions@sorbonedu.com
<mailto:admissions@sorbonedu.com>
tel +33172770043 (France)
fax 33153013315 (France)
Sorbon <http:www,sorbonedu.com>
Unfortunately it is now impossible to change the venue I am sorry. We
are not an "a la carte" university. You applied and have been accepted
for a certain level, we can not change it.