what about concorodia college and university.

[allbout]

I saw that there is an instituion called Concordia College and University, that ofering the same based on experience degree like Robert de Sorbon, the diferent seems to be that they have a solid acreditation of 4 governments, Indonesia, Pakistan, Malasya and Liberia. They show a copy of the credential with telephone numbers include. Did any one make any questions to that government to know if they have really this status. It is dificult to me to imagine that they are using the names of 4 countries on a illegal way. If publics univerisities in France are doing the VAE procres, why this university must be less than them?. I saw in other forum a bad comments to this instituion, but none give a solid evidence that they are ilegal and not acredited for this governments, they are giving only opinions, I saw many references about replies gave it about RSD by french authorities, but I did not find any mention af any embassy about this Concordia. Can anyone help me with legal evidences, not with opinios please, about this university?.

To the moderator of this forum I should have to say that you are doing an excellent work.

[mosbybranch]

Who are they kidding? They created an entity and incorporated in Nevada under the name “AMERICAN BUREAU OF HIGHER EDUCATION IN NEVADA ACCREDITING CONCORDIA” Yeah, one long name corporate name! They make you believe there is an “American Bureau of Higher Education” accrediting Concordia.

Do your search at http://sos.state.nv.us/corpsrch.asp

[dhfr]

Unfortunately, letters and certificates of "accreditation" often seem to be meaningless -- as many found out painfully with the St. Regis debacle.

What and where exactly is Concordia College and University? It has variously appeared to be based in South Dakota, Dominica, Pakistan. And what kind of evaluation process does it follow? It's operated for many years, but nobody has obtained a reasonable answer to this question.

You ask for "legal evidence" rather than opinions. But the onus is on the university to demonstrate its legitimacy. The letters of "accreditation" aren't enough for me -- because I've seen similar in the past, and they've turned out not to have any value.

[dhfr]

I just looked at the web site, and it's amazing. It looks as though they read one of the newspaper articles on "how to spot a diploma mill" and implemented every warning sign: credit card logos at top of main page, pictures of diplomas, unrecognized U.S. accreditation listed prominently, customer testimonials, ...

At the very least, they need to fire their webmaster!

[Ryan]

Here is an article that mentiones Concordia:
http://www.pittnews.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/09/24/4153baf9c0731


There are at least a half-dozen legitimate Concordia colleges and Concordia universities around the country. But Concordia College and University is a mill that offers degrees in as little turnaround time as 12 hours. Hamilton College, in New York, is real; Hamilton University in Wyoming is a diploma mill, according to federal officials.
...
The mills can be bold in trying to hype their legitimacy. The fake Concordia College and University admonishes Web surfers to "be safe - and purchase a government approved degree." The government, it turns out, is war-torn Liberia. The school's offices are in Dominica, and its U.S. mailing address is in St. John, Virgin Islands. Its Web site domain is in Pakistan.

[Robert J.]

I just looked at the web site, and it's amazing. It looks as though they read one of the newspaper articles on "how to spot a diploma mill" and implemented every warning sign: credit card logos at top of main page, pictures of diplomas, unrecognized U.S. accreditation listed prominently, customer testimonials, ...

At the very least, they need to fire their webmaster!

:lol: !

[Dennis Ruhl]

You ask for "legal evidence" rather than opinions. But the onus is on the university to demonstrate its legitimacy. The letters of "accreditation" aren't enough for me -- because I've seen similar in the past, and they've turned out not to have any value.

I agree.

Unfortunately many countries freely grant their recognition to anyone with a buck. One only need look at some of the universities fully licensed in Mississippi to see the problem. Extend this to lesser developed countries with a history of corruption and what you see isn't necessarily what you get.

[John D]

Concordia College and University. Owner Kristian da Vey, a Belgian and ambassador-at-large of Liberia.

John D

[Dennis Ruhl]

Concordia College and University. Owner Kristian da Vey, a Belgian and ambassador-at-large of Liberia.

John D

Some countries freely grant diplomatic posts to anyone with a buck. You can also buy citizenship from a dozen different countries. You can buy the title of lord or baron in Britain.

One wouldn't get much argument stating that Concordia College and University is a degree mill. End of story.

[dhfr]

Concordia College and University. Owner Kristian da Vey, a Belgian and ambassador-at-large of Liberia.No, it's Kristiaan de Ley.

You may be mixing him up with Szandor La Vey, founder of the Church of Satan. In which case, this is one of the funniest slips I've ever seen.

The mind boggles...

[John D]

No, it's Kristiaan de Ley.

You may be mixing him up with Szandor La Vey, founder of the Church of Satan. In which case, this is one of the funniest slips I've ever seen.

The mind boggles...

It's Kristiaan de Ley alright. My apologies for the mistake.

John D

[John D]

Would you believe that I made the same mistake a second time and I had to edit. La Vey's satanic influence, no doubt :p :lol:

John D

[John D]

Another very, very funny coincidence.

I noticed that in the title of this thread Concordia has been spelled as "concorodia". We all know what the first syllable "con" means in English. The rest of the word "corodia" means in the Greek language "sham"!

So, since this is an international university, it could be appropriately called Con-Sham university :p

John D

[J]

The history of Concordia's outgrowth from the then-Capitol University, and its founder's connections with the US Trinity College and University has been told elsewhere.

Like other Liberian institutions it is currently operating there under temporary permit pending the re-accreditation process.

Kristiaan de Ley maintains an interesting website at www.deley.be which has in the past featured much interesting information about Concordia. He has a PhD from the respectable University of Sofia, Bulgaria, earned on the back of an MBA from Trinity, which I guess shows that those things can have their uses. I have never been entirely sure about where he fits in the grand scheme of things; on the one hand he is keen to present himself as the pioneer of a progressive educational institution; on the other, Concordia presents a profile which is millish at best.

I have heard in the past from some who have had negative experiences when dealing with Concordia, but at the same time I have never seen evidence that it is not accredited as it claims. I would be interested to see evidence pro or con if it can be brought to light.

I would cast doubt on its Malaysian accreditation myself because Malaysian official documents of that kind are not usually written in English. But stranger things have happened.

Years ago, Kristiaan's website used to list Concordia grads who were in prominent government and academic positions. He's taken that list down now.

[milotach]

The history of Concordia's outgrowth from the then-Capitol University, and its founder's connections with the US Trinity College and University has been told elsewhere.

Like other Liberian institutions it is currently operating there under temporary permit pending the re-accreditation process.

Kristiaan de Ley maintains an interesting website at www.deley.be which has in the past featured much interesting information about Concordia. He has a PhD from the respectable University of Sofia, Bulgaria, earned on the back of an MBA from Trinity, which I guess shows that those things can have their uses. I have never been entirely sure about where he fits in the grand scheme of things; on the one hand he is keen to present himself as the pioneer of a progressive educational institution; on the other, Concordia presents a profile which is millish at best.

I have heard in the past from some who have had negative experiences when dealing with Concordia, but at the same time I have never seen evidence that it is not accredited as it claims. I would be interested to see evidence pro or con if it can be brought to light.

I would cast doubt on its Malaysian accreditation myself because Malaysian official documents of that kind are not usually written in English. But stranger things have happened.

Years ago, Kristiaan's website used to list Concordia grads who were in prominent government and academic positions. He's taken that list down now.

May be it will be usfull if someone can send a fax or email to any embassy of Indonesia, Malasya, and Pakistan, now they claim this acreditation also, to have the legal evidence of the acreditation. I will tray to do it. Here we have the 3 embassies, may be I can tray and put here the result. Let me see. So in the begining is a dificult to undestand that someone can use the name and public "oficials documents" while this countires are not doing nothing if they are bogus. Any case after looking the wonderfull Saint Regis tale all can happen in this world. In the other hand is normal that none with a Concordia Degree will make a publicity when there is people continiously looking who have not a diploma mill, even also a no acredited or stated licenced degree to go against him.

[Greystead]

Some countries freely grant diplomatic posts to anyone with a buck. You can also buy citizenship from a dozen different countries. You can buy the title of lord or baron in Britain.

One wouldn't get much argument stating that Concordia College and University is a degree mill. End of story.

A bit of subject, I know, but although you buy degrees from fake "universities" in the UK you can't actually buy the titles Lord or Baron. You can buy a Lordship of the Manor of X, Y or Z, or you can buy a Barony in Scotland, but these relate to rights over property and are not titles in the sense of rank and privilege. Mind you, a hefty donation to the political party of your choice can work wonders, but the timing can be unpredictable.

[Dennis Ruhl]

A bit of subject, I know, but although you buy degrees from fake "universities" in the UK you can't actually buy the titles Lord or Baron. You can buy a Lordship of the Manor of X, Y or Z, or you can buy a Barony in Scotland, but these relate to rights over property and are not titles in the sense of rank and privilege. Mind you, a hefty donation to the political party of your choice can work wonders, but the timing can be unpredictable.

The titles you mention were previously titles that the owner of a particular property held but are now a marketable property in their own right. More fake titles tend to be sold than real ones with a ready gullible market.

Titles such as duke, earl, viscount, marquess, or baron that involve (or did involve) a seat in the House of Lords cannot be purchased as they are held at the pleasure of the Queen.

Even if one could wangle a seat in the House of Lords it would rarely be hereditary so you cannot start your very own dynasty. I wonder if you could arrange a hereditary Liberian ambassadorship.

[J]

You... can buy a Barony in Scotland, but these relate to rights over property and are not titles in the sense of rank and privilege.

The law regarding baronies and lairdships has changed recently to separate them from property.

The title of Baron in Scotland is a genuine noble title. As witness, a holder of a barony is entitled as a consequence to apply to the Lord Lyon for a grant of arms. However, Scottish baronies have never carried with them the right to a seat in the House of Lords (which right is reserved to Lords of Parliament - hence the use of that title in Scotland).

Historically the right to the title of baron has rested on ownership of the caput of a barony, in other words of a representative section of land located within the barony itself. Some enterprising environmentalists bought the barony of Camster, divided the caput into plots of on square metre and then sold the title for about $20 to as many buyers as wished, with the proceeds being used to help Scottish conservation. Genuine, but hardly exclusive.

The correct form of address for a Scottish baron is Hamish MacTavish, Baron of Ardbrecknish, or simply Hamish MacTavish of Ardbrecknish. Hamish's eldest son is Dougal MacTavish, younger of Ardbrecknish, until Hamish's death, when he inherits his title. Hamish cannot call himself Lord (of) Ardbrecknish or Baron MacTavish (at least not without Scottish society falling about laughing).

Several other European countries have feudal nobilities; there are feudal titles in France, Italy and Ireland, for example. There are a handful of feudal earldoms and viscountcies in Ireland, for example the Earldom of Arran, which came up for sale a few years ago.

[milotach]

Here you have a link http://www.hec.gov.pk/htmls/hei/collunilist.htm is the list of all acredited instituions in Pakistan edited by the same authority they claim acreditation, THEY ARE NOT IN THE LIST.

[milotach]

Here you have a link http://www.hec.gov.pk/htmls/hei/collunilist.htm is the list of all acredited instituions in Pakistan edited by the same authority they claim acreditation, THEY ARE NOT IN THE LIST.

This other also most interesting. Is about foreign universities, no COncordia at all.

[milotach]

This other also most interesting. Is about foreign universities, no COncordia at all.

I just send it one email to the Chairman in Pakistan with the docuemnt of acreditation that they show in the web page. I will inform you about the answer if produced.

[milotach]

I just send it one email to the Chairman in Pakistan with the docuemnt of acreditation that they show in the web page. I will inform you about the answer if produced.

THIS IS TEH COPY OF THE EMAIL RECEIVED FROM PAKISTAN HEC

Cc: "Prof. Dr. Atta-Ur-Rehman" <chairman@hec.gov.pk>, "Muhammad Javed Khan" <mjkhan@hec.gov.pk>
Asunto: Acreditation in Pakistan

Dear Sir,
*
This refers to your email,it is stated that the letters provided with your email & have no legal* bearing.
*
Yours faithfully,
*
Abdul Quddus
Education Officer,
For Director General (A&A),
Higher Education Comission
H- 9 Islamabad, Pakistan
Ph: 051-9257651-5 (ext 711)
email: aquddus@hec.gov.pk
:rolleyes:

[Robert J.]

Very good contribution milotach. Was there any other correspondence about what Pakistan is doing about stopping this?

[milotach]

Very good contribution milotach. Was there any other correspondence about what Pakistan is doing about stopping this?

Nothing more from Pakistan, they said that the men in the own oficial HEC made a mistake, but they do not give any evidences. so the evidence that there is something strange with the Pakistan acreditations is very clear when the educatinal authorities of Pakistan said not to have no idea about this people. But now they are showing an email adrees from a CHINA!!!! page to acredit their credential from Liberia, it seems that now the China people is the most qualificated to tell us about Concordia and its Liberian credentials. In other way they are also showing a domain that belongs to a local government in Indonesia with one email adrees to ask for confirmanition. No direct link to any educational deparment,only a misterious email adrees.

[J]

I would have thought that their Malaysian accreditation would be the easiest to check out, given that that country does business in English a lot of the time.

But the recent tragic events in Malaysia and Indonesia means those folks are likely to have other, more pressing priorities on their minds.

[kouzoulos]

Here is my personal research for the cc&u
http://forums.degreeboard.com/showthread.php?t=2374&highlight=concordia