AUAP in trouble with AACRAO

[ray1212]

Dear moreyl,

Only evaluating new experience towards credit kind of defeats the whole point of the VAE in France. If Sorbon is legal, they need to stop issuing degrees from Florida and mailing them using the US Postal System.

[Rector]

Not all experience is convertible.

My aunt Sonia works on car wash as a cashier for 18 years.
She is in her 60's now.

She can get MBA in sales :-)

But a technician who gradually moved in to lets say systems technologist or engineer and all the years made progress that he can document is a good candidate for BS or even MS in Systems Technology by VAE etc.

What you pay for degree at Robert Sorbone you will pay for one class 3 unit portfolio at US Accredited collage.

Robert Hill a question to you.

When you say degrees are sent from Florida do you mean they are on the diploma state that awarded in Florida USA etc?

Or simply use Florida as shipping source?

[Rector]

Originally Posted by carladelpon

This is a very serious posting.Thank you!

From what I see the Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon had fulfilled all the obligations mentioned as they are still in business for 4 years.

FYI The article 731-14 is much longer (14 boring sub-articles).

French Private Institutions of higher education can not take the word "université" but takes most of the time they have the name "Ecole" or "Institut" like the prestigious one like HEC (Ecole des Hautes Etudes Commerciale), Ecole Nationale d'Administration (ENA). ESSEC (Ecole Supérieure des Sciences Economiques et Commerciales), which are the number one in France in their specialty.

Yes we understand this point very well.
In US we have MIT - Massachusetts Institute of Technology its name is not University but Institute as Cal Tech etc.

I do not understand the law really.
Some requirements are to provide lessons in physical school location with 100 students at-least and also libraries and laboratories.
Because Robert Sorbone is 100 % VAE I don't know how this all setelles in the yeyes of the law.
THis is why I think some areas are gray in my view and not understanding the law.

But a former Judge in France would know the law.

Maybe my opinion is biased because in the past I was AUAP customer and
also refereed others to them.
All whom I know are very happy with the services of AUAP.

Is Sorbonne Diplomas say it was issued in Florida or it is written issued in France do you know?

[ray1212]

Dear Rector,

The degrees were mailed from Florida. Thanks. Have a Nice Day!

http://www.geocities.com/roberthill2...n_Mailings.pdf

[Dew]

Well, if you pay extra $100...for an apostille on the degree, it might comes from France. Give it a try…

[Rector]

I don't think its important what country its mailed from.

I think what is important is if the degree / diploma states something like awarded in France in the year of our lord etc.
Or there is no mention at all about the origin of the degree?

I forgot do they provide transcript / supplement to their diplomas?
And if the supplement has the address of the institute in France?

Can anyone post pdf of their diploma and supplement to satisfy my curiosity?
Thanks

[morleyl]

Originally Posted by ray1212

Dear Rector,

The degrees were mailed from Florida. Thanks. Have a Nice Day!

http://www.geocities.com/roberthill2...n_Mailings.pdf

That is a none issue, unless you can prove its illegal to do so. If they are following the laws of their incorporation and charter then thats trivial.

Secondly, since they may do work mostly with English speaking people, a US presence could help.

The point I would have an issue with are.

1. If they denied doing any business from Florida etc.

2. If the French law prohibits them from doing so.

Bear in mind lots bigger companies use offshore incorporation to save on taxes and protection, so if they use French Law to solve a problem then nothing is wrong in that context.

My issue again is quality and quality control.

[James Grey]

Originally Posted by morleyl

That is a none issue, unless you can prove its illegal to do so. If they are following the laws of their incorporation and charter then thats trivial.

Secondly, since they may do work mostly with English speaking people, a US presence could help.

The point I would have an issue with are.

1. If they denied doing any business from Florida etc.

2. If the French law prohibits them from doing so.

Bear in mind lots bigger companies use offshore incorporation to save on taxes and protection, so if they use French Law to solve a problem then nothing is wrong in that context.

My issue again is quality and quality control.

Just out of interest, are you a direct descendant of St Thomas?

[morleyl]

Originally Posted by James Grey

Just out of interest, are you a direct descendant of St Thomas?

What exactly are you asking? Not sure of your question. From your previous posting it does not seem like logic is part of your toolbox anyway.

To make my position clear, I do support conversion of non-traditional learning into academic credits as long as its done in a quality way.

If you have not attended one of the top 10 universities in the world then keep quiet.

[Dennis Ruhl]

Originally Posted by morleyl

What exactly are you asking? Not sure of your question. From your previous posting it does not seem like logic is part of your toolbox anyway.

Thomas would be indicative of doubt. I don't get it either.

[James Grey]

Originally Posted by morleyl

What exactly are you asking? Not sure of your question. From your previous posting it does not seem like logic is part of your toolbox anyway.

To make my position clear, I do support conversion of non-traditional learning into academic credits as long as its done in a quality way.

If you have not attended one of the top 10 universities in the world then keep quiet.

Doubting most people seems your main stock in trade - this time it is RSU

[morleyl]

Originally Posted by James Grey

Doubting most people seems your main stock in trade - this time it is RSU

Anyway, to restrain myself, I would say you are a waste of time.. Not sure whats your intellectual input to this discussion really is.

[James Grey]

Originally Posted by morleyl

Anyway, to restrain myself, I would say you are a waste of time.. Not sure whats your intellectual input to this discussion really is.

I understand that, as it requires a double digit IQ

[Little Arminius]

Originally Posted by ray1212

Dear Little Arminius,

Greetings and Good Evening. I no longer use the IUFS DBA. That doesn't mean that I don't have another doctorate nor am I unappreciative of where I have been. I believe in the concept of experiential learning. And so does many other foreign universities as well as those in France.

I take strong exception to your comments regarding that 90 year old Russian. Prefessor Eduard Evreinov is one of the most distinguished gentlemen I have ever met. He won the Lenen Prize in 1966 for mathematics, which is the second highest honor in the Soviet Union at the time. How many scientists can state that? I know many of you have a hard time with the concept of a Grand PhD, but largely because of his efforts, many of the universities in Russia have adopted the concept. He has spent more than 1.5 million dollars of his money on developing the four tier global education system and WIDU is recognized by many Ministries of Education.

I will leave you guessing about my academic background for now. Take care.

from degreediscussion.com thread; Dr. George Gollin quotes the footer of one Dr. Robert Ray Hill's correspondence:

Professor Robert Ray Hill, PhD, DBA,
FCMI, MBCS, GCGI, MInstLM, Hon FBMA, CDBA, Academician
3149A Dixie Highway, PMB # 106
Erlanger, KY 41018
(859) 307-2703 - Cell
(859) 648-0121 or Skype Username - robert.ray.hill

Ray,

I thought that you were no longer using the DBA? Set the record straight once and for all. You telling us one thing here, another at DL Truth and yet another in private correspondence with Dr. Gollin is troubling, to say the least.

[Rector]

Thats what I understand from reading the reply is that the DBA listed is from another university.

Some states list some schools as eligal for their degrees to be used, some schools are later additions to such list. Also schools including accredited and legitimate may with time have negative press, scandals etc or loose accreditation.
So one has option to drop such degree from his/hers CV.

[Little Arminius]

Originally Posted by Rector

Thats what I understand from reading the reply is that the DBA listed is from another university.

Some states list some schools as eligal for their degrees to be used, some schools are later additions to such list. Also schools including accredited and legitimate may with time have negative press, scandals etc or loose accreditation.
So one has option to drop such degree from his/hers CV.

I'm fairly open-minded about alternative education. I don't look unfavorably on NA schools and am willing to look at unaccredited schools on an individual basis. However, I have a problem with the notion that one can easily "drop" schools/degrees from a CV. You either legitimately took coursework and earned a degree from a bona fide school, regardless of accreditation status, or you didn't.

If you find yourself in one of those jurisdictions that proscribe the use of an unaccredited degree, or simply wish note the school's lack of accreditation, then keep it on your CV but put it in another section (training, further education, etc) or prominently identify that the school is unaccredited. That may suck but is part of the package you have bought into when you choose an unaccredited school. If you think you can easily drop schools from your CV, then you probably believe that it wasn't legitimate in the first place.

[Rector]

Yes and no.

If you are a victim of scam or simply uninformed and made bad decision based on false advertising or misrepresentation of facts or simply having no understanding in accreditation meters in other countries, and you did work for the degree or more than that.
If your school fully accredited but has bad reputation and had scandals and you are ashamed and rather not associate your self with such entity its your right
to disassociate from them.

If I had to state on my resume all I learned and all I worked on it will be easily a 6 page resume, So I select what to submit to the potential employer.
In a form of providing what is relevant for the position I apply for.

What you rather had a person use a substandard degree on his resume to get a job?

And this is honest and legit.

[alam_bakshi]

Originally Posted by michael

You wouldn't believe how many EE's and ME's I have had to train to use a computer or even put one together, and all I had was a lowly BS for ITT.

OF course I also had my first computer at the age of 12, which i promptly took apart two days after I got it.

Dear sir,

Your opion is very approprate at this movement,but a skilled person,which has not appropate degree qualification,causes many times humilation,I think once a person have high skill must have proper degree support/academic.As have LCGI award but this award is not accrediated in Indian and other countries,but I have so may skilles,computer knolwage,electrical supervisory,graphc designing capabilities,which I think the BS degrees holders not compaired with my skill.
So, why people beleve in academic approch.